Track car brainstorming

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:12 am

f@#k yeah!

They do one with a 660cc turbo engine that weighs 490kg! With steel wheels!

Recepie for fun right there

Nafe · Post by **Nafe** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:56 pm

ritalin_boy wrote: I've got the skills to pull this off well enough.

Bullshit. Judging by your 36hp thread, if you don't have the skills now, you'll have them by the end of the build.

But you would have to invest a very long time into it, and get bogged down making tooling and the like.

What about a Vee lengthened and widened, skinned by a fastback body?

Or ( I just thought of this) skin a vee in a (loose) scale replica of a 917 or something.

I'd just buy an MX-5 and take up a hairdresser's apprenticeship.

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:11 pm

f@#k your funny Nafe!

I appreciate the compliment, but if I you spent 10,000 odd hours building it... You wouldn't wanna take it racing.

Btw The Frankfurt flyer is a formulae vee underneath all that sexy porsche exterior.

I found anther one similar and just as cool. All Aly formed body!

Your right about mx5's they handle amazing out of the box. I was clocking 1:15's round wakefield and still be tailed by a stock mx with John Boston at the helm.

It was a 60kw vs 160kw battle.

Water Boy · Post by **Water Boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:09 pm

One thing to consider is do you want to race it in a state/national class or just do sprint/super sprint events.

I see lots of people build rad cars but can never go further than sprint days because their car does not fall into a CAMS or AASA class.

Bang for buck your Honda would be hard to beat. Nice on pads and tyres, plenty of power and awsome handling.

Post by **hertz** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:20 pm

ritalin_boy wrote:f@#k your funny Nafe!

I appreciate the compliment, but if I you spent 10,000 odd hours building it... You wouldn't wanna take it racing.

Btw The Frankfurt flyer is a formulae vee underneath all that sexy porsche exterior.

I found anther one similar and just as cool. All Aly formed body!

Your right about mx5's they handle amazing out of the box. I was clocking 1:15's round wakefield and still be tailed by a stock mx with John Boston at the helm.

It was a 60kw vs 160kw battle.

Built in the burg

CamYoung · Post by **CamYoung** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:17 pm

There was a super charged open wheeler in Hill Climbs when I used to race 2 litre sports sedans. It was very quick, I think from memory the guys name that ran it was Peter Gumley??

I think the idea of a Formula Vee frame with 2.3 litre stroker running 200 hp would be good fun!

petemart · Post by **petemart** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:55 pm

I vote for the formula Vee with a alloy body idea

I saw this thing on 'Chasing Classic Cars' on Turbo Max

http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/201 ... ture5.html

It's an agricultural looking thing from the 60's, but the mid mount etc is cool and apart from the 356 donk it looks mostly VW.

With a little finessing on the body I'm sure it could be made to look cool.

I think the only thing that would restrict you would be a beam VW front end with the understeer they get with real horsepower in the back so maybe something like a red 9 front end might get it around corners faster?
http://www.red9design.com/type1.htm

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:00 pm

This thing was built in the Berg? That's fecking cool! Do you know anymore about it Josh?

The honda was a great car and super quick. A few guys on here can attest to that.

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:04 pm

petemart wrote:I vote for the formula Vee with a alloy body idea

I saw this thing on 'Chasing Classic Cars' on Turbo Max

http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/201 ... ture5.html

It's an agricultural looking thing from the 60's, but the mid mount etc is cool and apart from the 356 donk it looks mostly VW.

With a little finessing on the body I'm sure it could be made to look cool.

I think the only thing that would restrict you would be a beam VW front end with the understeer they get with real horsepower in the back so maybe something like a red 9 front end might get it around corners faster?
http://www.red9design.com/type1.htm

Wow Pete! That's a mad find...

I've toyed with this concept for a long time going fast around corners in a vw.
Every time I've had the itch I end up buying and building a jap car... Then sell it And buy another vw. Fucken weird cycle I know.

The red 9 idea is good one. I was considering building a reinforced through rod beam with some Byp 3 way adjustable coilovers.. Under steer then immediate oversteer was the a big issue with my old turbo beetle.

Post by **hertz** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:14 pm

Look up the silver bullet 356

Post by **hertz** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:15 pm

I only know bits and pieces. Jnr and Snr know more

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:17 pm

I'm gob smacked.

Damn this country had produced some amazing cars.

I would love to hear the story of this. The inter webs is pretty convoluted on the subject of its origin.

Post by **hertz** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:20 pm

All I know is that it was built for Jeff Dutton. I know the shop that did most of the body and paint. Just a little back alley shop in Fitzroy

Post by **hertz** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:21 pm

Jnr may have worked on it but not sure

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:39 pm

Wow! Just amazing history...

It's stories like that that will always keep my faith in the aircooled community...

Sunshine · Post by **Sunshine** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:59 pm

petemart wrote:I vote for the formula Vee with a alloy body idea

I saw this thing on 'Chasing Classic Cars' on Turbo Max

http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/201 ... ture5.html

It's an agricultural looking thing from the 60's, but the mid mount etc is cool and apart from the 356 donk it looks mostly VW.

With a little finessing on the body I'm sure it could be made to look cool.

I think the only thing that would restrict you would be a beam VW front end with the understeer they get with real horsepower in the back so maybe something like a red 9 front end might get it around corners faster?
http://www.red9design.com/type1.htm

Saw that as well. It hummed along real well!

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:34 pm

Was there a full episode on this car ? I found a shirt clip on YouTube.

Post by **hertz** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:37 pm

They only under steer due to the rear weight bias. Mid mount would help solve that.

Post by **jnr356** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:40 pm

i didn't work on it
it was built on a 914 "platform"

ritalin_boy · Post by **ritalin_boy** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:45 pm

914? I wouldn't have guessed that.

Thank for the input Mark.

I agree midmount is the go Josh. A front mounted engine may be more hassle than it's worth.

The bathtub racer had a split case trans. That's cool

Melburg Luft

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